"So Earth gave out infractions t Cato, Lain andI in theew member thread. Here is what each of us got an infraction for:"[quotes some of the "infracted" posts]
"I asked him to ask that question elsewhere and Lain answered him politely and we were cited for dramatizing the thread.
Where is the appeal process? There is no way to respond to the conversation Earth started to dole out the infraction and no written appeal process in the infraction information area. To be fair an appeal process needs to be available."
"the right to appeal
in the event that an inhabitant is subjected to quarantine or scrubbed, they will be afforded an opportunity to appeal to the community for relief."
If you get banned from gV and wish to appeal, it helps to solicit a sponsor to appeal on your behalf so you don't circumvent the alt rule and create grounds to be banned again.
nina said:
"the right to appeal - people should have an opportunity to make their case against whatever discipline publicly"
nina said:
"opportunity to appeal to the community' could mean many things, not necessarily appealing to a mob. it could mean a single post asking for forgiveness, it could mean an entire thread to discuss the merits of the discipline, it could even mean an appeal judged by a panel of peers. the mechanics arent specified."
nina said:
"i will say this though, the Inhabitant Rights state that pep has the right to appeal his banning. start a thread dedicated to peps appeal and lets see how people feel about the topic"
colleen said:
"Who reps the banned person?"
nina said:
"if there is a case where nobody wants to rep the banned person... that says a lot right there hey"
Links:
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/forum-feedback.1114/page-149#post-114818
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/new-member-alert.746/page-95#post-114269
http://leeherevw.blogspot.com/2011/08/gv-forum-ban-appeals-process.html
http://leeherevw.blogspot.com/2011/08/forum-feedback-aka-lees-manifesto.html
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/standing-invitation-for-scmk-ii-and-slu-people-who-have-an-axe-to-grind.243/page-153#post-60075
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/standing-invitation-for-scmk-ii-and-slu-people-who-have-an-axe-to-grind.243/page-152#post-60049
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/standing-invitation-for-scmk-ii-and-slu-people-who-have-an-axe-to-grind.243/page-153#post-60094
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/our-rights-part-ii.372/page-2#post-11744
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/our-rights-part-ii.372/#post-11537
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/our-rights-part-ii.372/#post-11497
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/phase-2-construction.156/#post-3615
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/infraction-appeal-process.2537/#post-115582
ETA:
nina said:
"bear in mind that at the time the inhabitants rights were created we hadnt yet abandoned the idea of community governance."
nina said:
"well its true. it was stated that we would continue to use the rights and standards though, so they are alive. peps unbanning is an example of the post-governance appeal process in action. if it is an appeal of consequence or matter it will be addressed i am certain."
nina said:
"it could be done easier than people think. if one had the technical ability to make the websites design reflect the model of governance in use, that would go a huge way toward making something work."
nina said:
"there is no appeal process. infractions came about after the collapse of governance. once inhabitants made it clear that they were not willing to trust one another to have any say in governance and forced mars to permanently move to an internal security policy (mars' best judgement), this is the result. i suppose if one felt so strongly about an infraction they could start a thread in engineering, but i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for a favourable resolution."
nina said (to Cato Badger):
"i loved doing it to 'your mom' and cristiano. i know full well how fun it is, which probably makes it less fun for you thats why i dont hold it against you."
ETA2:
Earth said...
"community governance was abandoned here, gV update - 22.apr.11, prior to the ban appeal resolution.
it clearly states:
that is not as helpful as one may think. it increases the level of drama more often than not. it would be far easier to deal with most matters if petrol wasnt poured on a developing drama."
ETA3:
nina said...
"everything about the administration has, since day zero, discouraged back-channel negotiations and dealings. to the degree that planet are forbidden to use a non-public venue. the planets are all anon, and tried to remain 100% anon since the beginning. planets cannot be messaged, and can message only one another. i keep my conversations turned off and any email/in-world discussion pretty safe. everything indicates that appeals are supposed to be done publically. it is an appeal to the community, hoping for them to take up your cause. it is not an appeal to mars.
two things that are problematic and infraction-worthy are these things happening in the no-drama zones: telling another they have been reported (escalating drama) and forum-policing (escalating drama).no-drama means no drama. one doesnt need to be swearing or name-calling to incite drama. ive been very good at it at times.
the planets were chosen from the gV community, with diligent efforts being made to ensure that various 'factions' were represented. if at any time one of them is truly going rouge, there is nothing to prevent one from being ousted. if half the people are saying some particular planet is 'corrupt', that would be cause for alarm."
Infractions don't get to appeal, only bans or am I reading that wrong?
ReplyDeleteThat's an excellent question. Now that you mention it, hunh...
ReplyDeleteMars has said this...
"//part 2: our rights
all inhabitants of gV are afforded certain rights by default. the MCP dictates that all humans inherit these rights by virtue of being human. some of these right include:
the right to fair administration
the right to appeal
the right to voice dissent
the right to privacy
the right of [coming soon]
your task is to give these rights context. in addition, it is expected that you may wish to discuss additional rights. we hope that these rights will be questioned, scrutinised, interpreted, and debated, with the ultimate goal of putting these rights into a cohesive document representative of you as a community."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/phase-2-construction.156/#post-3615
...which would seem to suggest that inhabitants have the right to appeal to any moderation.
On the other hand, as you have so ably pointed out, Mars also said this...
"prelude: insofar as rights, 'inhabitant' refers to a legitimate, established individual. an individual need not establish themselves at gV to qualify as legitimate. any individual known to the community at large, including the other communities within the larger social circle, are considered a 'legitimate and established individual'.
all inhabitants of gotVirtual are guaranteed the following rights:
the right to fair administration
the administration will hold no person to less account than others. the application of rules is equal and objective. there is no privileged class.
the right to appeal
in the event that an inhabitant is subjected to quarantine or scrubbed, they will be afforded an opportunity to appeal to the community for relief.
the right to dissent
the administration will not curtail ones right to dissent, provided the dissent is voiced in a manner that is not in violation of the gV Community Standards. inhabitants shall be free to disagree or hold an unpopular opinion without fear of admin reprisal.
the right to privacy
the administration shall not needlessly alter an inhabitants privacy preferences, share ones private profile information, nor make ones privacy preferences known. unless specifically addressed to them, the administration will not read any inhabitants Private Conversations nor cause said conversations to become known. the administration will not use an inhabitants email address for any purposes other than user registrations, occasional admin mailouts, or uses within the control of the inhabitant themselves, such as those found in the user control panel. the administration will not share a users IP address unless it is necessary due to severe or systematic violation of the Community Standards or due to real world law."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/our-rights-part-ii.372/#post-11497
...which does make it look like inhabitants only have the right to appeal if the inhabitant has been quarantined or scrubbed.
So yeah, I totally see your point, colleen.
ReplyDeleteFYI - http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/forum-feedback.1114/page-150#post-114826
ReplyDeleteSo, technically there is a loophole really.... inhabitants can not hold direct conversations with any planets , and can not start/run their own *appeal* thread and the thread had to be started in admin/no drama node. They can go to admin and complain (dissent) in that node or any thread ?
ReplyDeleteOffs I see Tarzan is being his usual helpful self *rolls eyes* and Lias is apparently the only one mad?
ReplyDeleteok, from here ...it looks like she hit eVol and should have hit Lain with another and not him.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm not sure the posts chosen for infraction notices are a direct match up to the actual posts that warranted infractions. Earth may have just seen a couple of pages and nabbed some posters grabbing the nearest posts. I dunno.
ReplyDeleteLain (is Bams) said, for example, in the "New Member Alert!" thread....
"Maybe she'll infract this..... go fuck yourself."
And that one did not receive an infraction notice.
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/new-member-alert.746/page-95#post-114362
As a side note about that same thread, I did notice I was the only one to twitch at Lias' offensive remark about "autistic-looking kids" being the only ones able to "pull off an excellent robot dance."
ReplyDeletehttp://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/new-member-alert.746/page-94#post-111681
Correction: The only one to twitch publicly in that gV thread. I happen to know there was at least one other person who found the post offensive.
ReplyDeletehttp://youtu.be/saC13RJ8CUs
ReplyDeleteIt's an infraction... big whoop, deal with it.
And before the latest kerfuffle in the "New Member Alert! thread there are posts by Cato Badger, Jolene and Lias skirting drama about Forum Confidential and Cato's "snark and rants." (Lias' words.)
ReplyDeleteI think it gets a bit sticky when a Cato, Pep or Wad type start pointing out who is *not* receiving infraction notices...and then things have to be evened out. One woman's theory. And a hard thing to be aware of when you're a mod, I think. I think modding tends to be a bit like mothering a large brood, it's not based so much on fairness as it is on getting fed up and finally dealing out smacks.
ReplyDeleteLeeHere Absent said...
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm not sure the posts chosen for infraction notices are a direct match up to the actual posts that warranted infractions. Earth may have just seen a couple of pages and nabbed some posters grabbing the nearest posts. I dunno.
Lain (is Bams) said, for example, in the "New Member Alert!" thread....
"Maybe she'll infract this..... go fuck yourself."
And that one did not receive an infraction notice.
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/new-member-alert.746/page-95#post-114362
Should def have been an infraction especially after the earthy reminder.
LeeHere Absent said...
As a side note about that same thread, I did notice I was the only one to twitch at Lias' offensive remark about "autistic-looking kids" being the only ones able to "pull off an excellent robot dance."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/new-member-alert.746/page-94#post-111681
I agree with you.
oh for pete sake I just went back over to the forum feedback thread and sees nina gave yet another safe call. Why bother infracting anyone then if there is no *governance*. Game looks over to me.
LeeHere Absent said...
ReplyDeleteI think it gets a bit sticky when a Cato, Pep or Wad type start pointing out who is *not* receiving infraction notices...and then things have to be evened out. One woman's theory. And a hard thing to be aware of when you're a mod, I think. I think modding tends to be a bit like mothering a large brood, it's not based so much on fairness as it is on getting fed up and finally dealing out smacks.
Sure what makes it bad is when *mother* waits to long the kids think it is always ok and punishment not fair if it was not dished out yesterday over same offense.
nina said...
ReplyDelete"bear in mind that at the time the inhabitants rights were created we hadnt yet abandoned the idea of community governance."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/forum-feedback.1114/page-150#post-114840
Let me get in quick and post this before Steph can...
ReplyDeleteGAME OVER, MAN, GAME OVER!
I just said that ! LOL So gV is no more then the bottom of the forum barrel and no chance to make it anything other than. So they all have the exact forum they want. BUT let Pep, Wad or Ish return and see what happens LOL. Be some governance then I'll bet. Nina just shoot her own foot.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY
ReplyDeleteSteph said in Skype:
ReplyDelete"Steph one ups you :P"
Damn it! I posted it first! The win is mine, vid bitch. Suck it!
"They mostly come at night. Mostly."
ReplyDeleteThe win is yours but I mine had sound and movement etc. VISUAL AID FTW! :P
ReplyDeleteLOL
ReplyDeletecolleen said...
ReplyDeleteoh for pete sake I just went back over to the forum feedback thread and sees nina gave yet another safe call. Why bother infracting anyone then if there is no *governance*. Game looks over to me.
"They mostly come at night. Mostly."
ReplyDeleteHey that sounds familiar, where have I heard that before?
http://gotvirtual.net/community/attachments/gv_mostly-png.1512/?embedded=1
[Kool-aid Guy] OH YEAH!
Maryanne for the win.
ReplyDeletehttp://youtu.be/aCbfMkh940Q
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/danger-keep-children-away-from-secondlife.1071/page-91#post-114854
ReplyDeleteWTG Maryanne !!! LOL
ReplyDeletenina said...
ReplyDelete"well its true.
it was stated that we would continue to use the rights and standards though, so they are alive. peps unbanning is an example of the post-governance appeal process in action.
if it is an appeal of consequence or matter it will be addressed i am certain."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/forum-feedback.1114/page-150#post-114858
She said "post-governance appeal process" not "post-ban" or "post quarantine and scrub."
ReplyDelete"Appeal of consequence."
Opens the door a bit.
But no longer up for community debate.
Lias said...
ReplyDelete"I'm saying that the infractions are outlined but there is no appeal process at the bottom of that page and no way to respond to a conversation Earth starts with you regarding infractions.
I am asking what and where is the infraction appeal process and how does one contact the moderator who doled out the infraction?
If there is no infraction appeal process published in the Help section, when will it be published?"
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/forum-feedback.1114/page-150#post-114867
p.s.
ReplyDeletePoints to colleen for her "game over." She is now officially in the "Alien" game.
nina said...
ReplyDelete"it could be done easier than people think. if one had the technical ability to make the websites design reflect the model of governance in use, that would go a huge way toward making something work."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/forum-feedback.1114/page-150#post-114868
nina said...
ReplyDelete"there is no appeal process. infractions came about after the collapse of governance.
once inhabitants made it clear that they were not willing to trust one another to have any say in governance and forced mars to permanently move to an internal security policy (mars' best judgement), this is the result.
i suppose if one felt so strongly about an infraction the could start a thread in engineering, but i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for a favourable resolution."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/forum-feedback.1114/page-150#post-114874
Cop out = ( . Nina has seen one thing ...she can not leave her forum un-moderated, if she has not seen it yet then I must be blind. She can't expect to take members from average poster to planet w/o some favoritism or band of brothers crap going on and she does not want to mod it herself properly....a free for all forum are the ones they were all just modded out of or corned on or banned from.
ReplyDeleteOr am I seeing it wrong?
LOL Lias wants her appeal process in pvt with admin! Does she fear open process like Pep had to go thru? and ....why?
ReplyDeleteI have just got up (starting my second caffeine shot) and have read this summary but not the forum. It sounds as if Nina's vision has been completely destroyed and gV has become just yet another fascist monarchy with a Big Pig writing NewSpeak which means less than nothing as history is overwritten.
ReplyDeletePep (would point out that he has NOT been unbanned, but has been made a non-negotiable offer which would allow him to return if he is willing to accept certain conditions to which NO OTHER member is subject, which rather contradicts the statement:
"the right to fair administration
the administration will hold no person to less account than others. the application of rules is equal and objective. there is no privileged class."
Or maybe there is no privileged class, but gV is like Russian airlines which do not have First, Business or Cattle Class; they just have better facilities the more you pay to fly.)
Pep said...
ReplyDeletePep (would point out that he has NOT been unbanned, but has been made a non-negotiable offer which would allow him to return if he is willing to accept certain conditions to which NO OTHER member is subject, which rather contradicts the statement:
"the right to fair administration
the administration will hold no person to less account than others. the application of rules is equal and objective. there is no privileged class."
ok, I see your point Pep and you are correct, conditions asked of you are not asked/expected from other forum members. Mainly because they all back off the *planets* and you did not, nor did Wad.
Mistakes get made, humans are not perfect .
Does anyone understand what tout is doing? I'm totally lost there. I do have a theory to.
ReplyDeleteWhat's next? "You can come back on the forum if you promise not to use words of more than two syllables or six letters in case it confuses most of the forumites".
ReplyDeletePep (will not be partially censored; make the rules for everyone and *I* will decide whether to participate or not.)
I have no clue what will be next for gV, my guess is it will remain the same and incase you missed it Lains IQ is so awesomely huge you'd have trouble keeping up anyhow *smirks*
ReplyDeleteIt's not your IQ that is offensive Pep , it is the delivery I think.
Is tout aka rotpaulette ? :S
ReplyDeleteThat is the rumor, I have no clue tbh ...I've only ever known her as tout on that forum.
ReplyDeleteYes, tout is Rotpaulette Carter.
ReplyDeletecolleen said...
ReplyDelete"LOL Lias wants her appeal process in pvt with admin! Does she fear open process like Pep had to go thru? and ....why?"
This might answer your question.
Lias said...
"This subject needs it's own thread to be spelled out. We don't need this being played out arbitrarily. And appealing to a mob to stay in the forum is just feeding the Christians to the Lions in front of an audience for blood thirsty fun. That is quite a nasty way to go down in flames on a forum. You should re-think this forum drama pit idea."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/our-rights-part-ii.372/#post-11537
Lias said...
"Sounds like you want to put someone in a cage in the town square and allow everyone to poke them with a stick until they beg for mercy or refuse to participate and walk away from their account. If they do choose to humiliate themselves and beg for mercy, the mob will just satisfy their bloodthirst and kick them out of the forum anyway.
By now it is apparent that there is not just one community but a bunch of agenda camps all under one roof. Unless you can devise a santitized environment for this "peer" process to take place in - it will just be the standard mob rule using gray areas in a poorly devised process to harass."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/our-rights-part-ii.372/page-2#post-11769
Mitch went Spam can?
ReplyDeleteLOL ...priceless ! I swear to god...where was she when Pep was drawn and quartered ..or even Wad , although Pep got the worse of the beating. She was glad to see Pep gone and would have loved it get Wad banned but she wasn't smart enough to outwit him.
ReplyDeleteShe better hope nina stands by her *there is no governance* that's the only break she can get tbh, not to have her appeal process public.
I wish I had been a lil more forum savy but I wasn't and now ...lol I don't want to be if gV, SLU, SMK II are indications of forum life.
LeeHere Absent said...
ReplyDeleteMitch went Spam can?
=( really?
Beating?
ReplyDeletePep (must have missed that.)
@ colleen re: Mitch - yup.
ReplyDeletehttp://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/frenchman-ordered-to-pay-wife-damages-for-lack-of-sex.2539/#post-115003
ReplyDelete"You forgot near the computer the Encyclopedia Britannicus and urban dictionary of course."
Love it. Encyclopedia Britannica mixed up with OED. Muahahaha .. I can hear Pep cringe accross La Manche . .. ^.^
Willem Huisman said...
ReplyDelete"...I can hear Pep cringe accross La Manche..."
Ah, it's the little things in life. ;)
Pep said...
ReplyDeleteBeating?
Pep (must have missed that.)
I'm a southern girl in the USA , in my back yard that means you were....tossed off the island , no raft, no life jacket.
Speaking of ...is Cato B. trying for the same fate?
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/would-you-attend-participate-enjoy-a-gv-one-year-anniversary-party.2471/page-10#post-115006
ReplyDeleteCato Badger : "Reported for real life drama in a no drama thread on behalf of Greece Spain Italy France and whoever else belongs to the United States Of Europe although England does not I am told."
Mmmkay .. Cato is getting too cocky now.
1. There's no U.S.E. but there is a EU .. duh.
2. England != UK
2 reports on herself for real life drama on behalf of every union she's mentioning ... :|
Speaking of the little pleasures in life...
ReplyDeleteew0K said...
"I did actually attempt to reply to your latest thread, however your blog decided to eat it instead.. twice.."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/lees-blog.2540/
;)
Cato's response to that was funny too, yeah ... ^.^
ReplyDelete"Your blog crap filter is working then Lee "
Captcha : pekin
Funny, I've not done a thing, but my little blogger has managed to keep both ew0K and Wasted out of here. I feel like someone is looking out for me. ;)
ReplyDeletep.s.
I also think that's a pretty interesting little coincidence.
(I suspect AI.)
ReplyDelete;)
don't get too cocky as well .. ;P
ReplyDeleteI'm still here commenting .. ^.^
PS The coincidence is perhaps the amount of technical insight both persons claim to have but seem to lack at something as simple as properly using a web-browser.
@ Willem:
ReplyDeleteDid you just put yourself in a category with ew0K and Wasted?
Thanks for the heads up.
;)
p.s.
Ya know, that did actually cross my mind. ;)
p.p.s.
ReplyDeleteI've checked the Spam folder, btw. It's empty.
"LeeHere Absent said...
ReplyDelete@ Willem:
Did you just put yourself in a category with ew0K and Wasted?"
You wouldn't just put words in my mouth now would you ?
She-devil ... ;P
(Yay .. i'm not spam .. yet !)
Honey, it seems to me you don't need any help with the words in your mouth.
ReplyDeleteYou're doin' juuuust fine all on your own.
ReplyDelete(If the Spam filter ever catches you, I'll get ya out of there.)
ReplyDeleteWhy , ty for making me feel less related to the previously mentioned then .. will let me sleep better.
ReplyDeleteGoodnight, LeeHere.
Goodnight, Willem.
ReplyDeleteLias said...
ReplyDelete"Hey Nina, I started this thread here as you suggested to get some clarification of the sanction appeal process and to dispute the claim that asking someone to move their complaints out of the New Member Alert thread is a violation of forum rules.
I hope that you or Earth start this dialogue soon. Thanks."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/infraction-appeal-process.2537/page-2#post-115058
Clancy said...
"It's all been discussed and clarified before, ad infinitum. Find the relevant threads by searching your own content; you participated in all of them. This new thread you have begun amounts to harassment of the admin and other members of this forum."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/infraction-appeal-process.2537/page-2#post-115061
Lias said...
ReplyDelete"Although I am not at all concerned about what you say regarding this subject, I will clarify:
* There is a written infraction process but there is no written appeal process for infraction.
* The impromptu public appeal process used to free Pep was specifically for suspensions and can no longer be used since it has been stated that community governance methods have been abandoned.
* And what was done for Pep was never written down and added to the Help area anyway."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/infraction-appeal-process.2537/page-2#post-115087
McLovin said...
"There is no appeal process according to the forum owner. It's a 100% free site for which you don't have to pay even a tax to use (like driving a car, to invalidate the speeding ticket analogy. There's a level of accommodation needed by everyone in a forum and I humbly suggest you may be squarely in that territory."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/infraction-appeal-process.2537/page-2#post-115096
Lias has posted a ragequit obit for Mitch.
ReplyDeletehttp://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/community-assistance-ragequitters-seeking-guidance.1172/page-16#post-115143
rolls my eyes...anyone speak to Mitch? He may just be busy OR he may actually be totally done with the Lias / Lain show.
ReplyDeleteI left him a message on Skype. Mitch is not much of a flouncer, AT ALL. He also has a fair amount on his plate in real. So we'll see.
ReplyDeleteLias doesn't care though. LOL
No surprises there.
Welcome to the internet. ;)
Btw, Mitch made his "Ignore my opinion... I haven't started enough threads to be a valuable member of gV" profile comment back on August 25, when the whole, "membership defining" conversation was going on and Lain (is Bams) was declaring certain gV members not members of the gV forum community.
ReplyDeleteMitch's last (or most recent) post in gV was just yesterday. He went Spam can just yesterday too.
ReplyDeleteIn all honesty, you gotta have a stomach for the Lain & Lias show, the Cato/Pep/Pisthetairos show and the Wasted show to be a regular in gV.
ReplyDeleteLias said...
ReplyDelete"Mitch, you can see any news threads I created and my opinions in them (if you really wanted to). Someone that hardly makes an effort to start a thread does not have any valid advice for people that have started dozens more threads than he has. They might not all be gems - but the effort was put forth by me (and many others) and not you."
Mitch said...
"I wasn't only talking about your threads.... you egotist..... (label) I was talking about the news threads in general. And please.... tell me what special dispensation do you get from creating a thread? I've created the threads I've wanted to.. I know how... it's not rocket science. You seem to think that creating a thread is a big deal or something... trust me..it's not. Just look at some of the short lived threads that have died in the archives."
August 24, 2011
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/leehere-i-see-you.858/page-77#post-111449
Well, threads become short lived because they get trolled often, if it's not popular opinion and YOU are as aware of that as I am. Lias screamed bloody murder over her volleyball thread after Wad then turned around and turned my *kids bully* thread into shit.... one day nina will log into nice 3 way conversations, her ...Lias and Lains...but I'm assuming that is what they want.
ReplyDelete@Lee: How dare you suggest such a thing!
ReplyDeletePep (recommends discretion, since if you don't actually know you don't have to deny knowing.)
LOL
ReplyDeleteHello Glyn.
I take your point, but in all honesty, I think the horse is out of the barn or the ship has sailed or some other similar poetic expression that means the same thing.
Now Cato is being called "Pepwad." I kinda like it. ;)
ReplyDeleteLee said on gV on April 4, 2011...
ReplyDelete"If the forum was meant to be for nina, Lain, Bunnie, Lias, colleen and their friends, just tell us now so I, and those like me, can stop wasting your time, space and bandwidth. Otherwise, I object to the decision about deleting the posts and I'm doing it in a feedback thread in area17."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/forum-feedback.1114/page-10#post-43638
;)
After much reflection, I believe I will follow the lead of the great philosophers who went before me, Socrates and Pepwad, and say...
ReplyDelete"As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. "
Lee said on gV on April 4, 2011...
ReplyDelete"If the forum was meant to be for nina, Lain, Bunnie, Lias, colleen and their friends, just tell us now so I, and those like me, can stop wasting your time, space and bandwidth. Otherwise, I object to the decision about deleting the posts and I'm doing it in a feedback thread in area17."
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/forum-feedback.1114/page-10#post-43638
;)
@ Lee .... OMG I remember this like yesterday and TBH , looking back LOL nina would have to delete the entire forum at this point....
LOL
ReplyDeleteInternet time. Nostalgia at six months.
Ahhh, the good old days.
;)
@Lee .... so this is *forum history* ? LOL Lord I think I will always be forever a newb.
ReplyDeletehttp://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/infraction-appeal-process.2537/page-3#post-115219
ReplyDeleteWhat in the world was this infraction given for??? That's not right.
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/infraction-appeal-process.2537/page-3#post-115340
ReplyDeleteOK that is abuse of power seriously. If admin wants no reports why have that button...admin is not considering what may or may not offend any given poster.
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/infraction-appeal-process.2537/page-3#post-115349
ReplyDeleteYaY for Caity!!!
"After much reflection, I believe I will follow the lead of the great philosophers who went before me, Socrates and Pepwad, and say...
ReplyDelete"As for me, all I know is that I know nothing. " "
You should include Sergeant Schultz as well. :D
Lee, do you still have that "Gatekeeper" banner I sent you? Maybe it's time that was used. :D
ReplyDelete@ Steph: Natch.
ReplyDeletehttp://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/MissLee_photos/gotVirtual/Stephiesgatekeeperbanner.png?t=1315379780
http://thearchivisthere.blogspot.com/2011/08/gv-banners-made-by-steph.html
@ colleen: My internet forum history goes back to October of 2008. I'm an ancient forum whore. :p ;)
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile ....
ReplyDelete... a man walks into the bar of life.
The barkeeper greets the man and states : "Name your poison, stranger."
Stranger : "Truth."
The barkeeper makes a stern look and says : "Get out now."
re: Mitch.
ReplyDeleteSpam can gone.
Mitch on the board.
Kick is back and kickin'. ;)
ReplyDeleteUpdates on gV moderation and the appeal process question:
ReplyDeletehttp://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/infraction-appeal-process.2537/#post-115582
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/gv-update-22-apr-11.1302/
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/inhabitant-129.1384/
Unbelievable, but expected.
ReplyDeleteSO is Kick an honest married man now? =)
ReplyDeleteYup. ;)
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