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gV: Don't Tell Them Lee Sent You

Earthly Infractions Reported in 'Forum Feedback'

Lias said...

"So Earth gave out infractions t Cato, Lain andI in theew member thread. Here is what each of us got an infraction for:"

[quotes some of the "infracted" posts]

"I asked him to ask that question elsewhere and Lain answered him politely and we were cited for dramatizing the thread.

Where is the appeal process? There is no way to respond to the conversation Earth started to dole out the infraction and no written appeal process in the infraction information area. To be fair an appeal process needs to be available."

"the right to appeal

in the event that an inhabitant is subjected to quarantine or scrubbed, they will be afforded an opportunity to appeal to the community for relief."

If you get banned from gV and wish to appeal, it helps to solicit a sponsor to appeal on your behalf so you don't circumvent the alt rule and create grounds to be banned again.


nina said:

"the right to appeal - people should have an opportunity to make their case against whatever discipline publicly"

nina said:

"opportunity to appeal to the community' could mean many things, not necessarily appealing to a mob. it could mean a single post asking for forgiveness, it could mean an entire thread to discuss the merits of the discipline, it could even mean an appeal judged by a panel of peers. the mechanics arent specified."

nina said:

"i will say this though, the Inhabitant Rights state that pep has the right to appeal his banning. start a thread dedicated to peps appeal and lets see how people feel about the topic"

colleen said:

"Who reps the banned person?"

nina said:

"if there is a case where nobody wants to rep the banned person... that says a lot right there hey"

Links:
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/forum-feedback.1114/page-149#post-114818
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/new-member-alert.746/page-95#post-114269
http://leeherevw.blogspot.com/2011/08/gv-forum-ban-appeals-process.html
http://leeherevw.blogspot.com/2011/08/forum-feedback-aka-lees-manifesto.html
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/standing-invitation-for-scmk-ii-and-slu-people-who-have-an-axe-to-grind.243/page-153#post-60075
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/standing-invitation-for-scmk-ii-and-slu-people-who-have-an-axe-to-grind.243/page-152#post-60049
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/standing-invitation-for-scmk-ii-and-slu-people-who-have-an-axe-to-grind.243/page-153#post-60094
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/our-rights-part-ii.372/page-2#post-11744
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/our-rights-part-ii.372/#post-11537
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/our-rights-part-ii.372/#post-11497
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/phase-2-construction.156/#post-3615
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/infraction-appeal-process.2537/#post-115582


ETA:

nina said:

"bear in mind that at the time the inhabitants rights were created we hadnt yet abandoned the idea of community governance." 

 nina said:

"well its true. it was stated that we would continue to use the rights and standards though, so they are alive. peps unbanning is an example of the post-governance appeal process in action. if it is an appeal of consequence or matter it will be addressed i am certain."

nina said:

"it could be done easier than people think. if one had the technical ability to make the websites design reflect the model of governance in use, that would go a huge way toward making something work."

nina said:

"there is no appeal process. infractions came about after the collapse of governance. once inhabitants made it clear that they were not willing to trust one another to have any say in governance and forced mars to permanently move to an internal security policy (mars' best judgement), this is the result. i suppose if one felt so strongly about an infraction they could start a thread in engineering, but i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for a favourable resolution."

nina said (to Cato Badger):

"i loved doing it to 'your mom' and cristiano. i know full well how fun it is, which probably makes it less fun for you thats why i dont hold it against you."

ETA2:

Earth said...

"community governance was abandoned here, gV update - 22.apr.11, prior to the ban appeal resolution.


it clearly states:

it has been determined that the mcp will not be making any further attempts at fostering community governance. this should not result in any drastic changes; most things will remain as they are. but there are a few things worth noting:

• the community standards and the inhabitant rights are still in effect. any changes to either will be at the discretion of the mcp, although community input may be taken on board.

there is already a 'contact us' link in the lower right of the page.


that is not as helpful as one may think. it increases the level of drama more often than not. it would be far easier to deal with most matters if petrol wasnt poured on a developing drama."

ETA3:

nina said...

"everything about the administration has, since day zero, discouraged back-channel negotiations and dealings. to the degree that planet are forbidden to use a non-public venue. the planets are all anon, and tried to remain 100% anon since the beginning. planets cannot be messaged, and can message only one another. i keep my conversations turned off and any email/in-world discussion pretty safe. everything indicates that appeals are supposed to be done publically. it is an appeal to the community, hoping for them to take up your cause. it is not an appeal to mars.

two things that are problematic and infraction-worthy are these things happening in the no-drama zones: telling another they have been reported (escalating drama) and forum-policing (escalating drama).no-drama means no drama. one doesnt need to be swearing or name-calling to incite drama. ive been very good at it at times.

the planets were chosen from the gV community, with diligent efforts being made to ensure that various 'factions' were represented. if at any time one of them is truly going rouge, there is nothing to prevent one from being ousted. if half the people are saying some particular planet is 'corrupt', that would be cause for alarm."

nina node news

nina wants, well...see for yourself.

"how many people are familiar with utherverse? this is that red light game yes?"

"i knew there were quite a few that came from the rlc. im just thinking about how a non-sl virtual world can be better represented on gV."

"can we please avoid drama in the no drama thread?"

"my goal wouldnt be so much an active recruitment exercise so much as an effort to make gV more relevant to existing utherpeeps. im not really concerned how it might 'go over' so far as drama and such. im not really into that sort of thing. i simply see something that needs to be done and am looking to do it."

"i cant believe we dont have a list of all known virtual worlds! see, this is what i was on about earlier. gV needs a list of virtual worlds at minimum, and a detailed review of each of them at best."

"the question is if theyd rather have me cluelessly importing rss and posting not only shallow content, but possibly inaccurate or outdated content... or perhaps give me a bit of guidance?"

"this isnt about direct recruitment. its about gV fitting its role better. sure, we could just roll out a dead empty node for every virtual world running. but i was thinking more in line with articles or write ups on different things. maybe even using the gV integrated wiki for something. whatever it is, it must be done right. there is no super rush to get anything done immediately."

Links:
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/utherverse.2496/
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/strange-new-worlds.2504/#post-113604
http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/utherverse-redlight-center-virtual-world-on-thegrid-a-mature-area17-nsfw-red-thread.1180/

Forum Administration Communication

nina said on gV:

"it may look like there is no intention of adding more smilies, but there actually is.
right now there isnt a good way to present a large number of smilie options though, so none have been added in some time. i am hopeful that will change though, so keep em coming "

That may not look like much, but that kind of thoughtful and proactive communication from our forum hosts is HUGE to me.  It's not just a "here's what's going on" message, it's a "here's what's not" and "why."  That's often overlooked and underestimated.  Good on ya, nina.

gV Forum Community Member (Or..."A plank, a plank, my kingdom for a plank!")

I joined gV in February of 2011.  I have posted 8,005 posts.  I've garnered 10, 398 "likes" and 293 trophy points.  I've originated 86 threads of which three are among the top 20 most-viewed threads on gV.  I've made gV banners (some of which were used to advertise the site), recruited members, donated a handful of Lindens, weighed in on governance discussions, gone inworld and hung out with people I met on gV, chatted with some of them on Skype...and yet my membership in the gV forum community is still being disputed.  Welcome to the internet.



Fine print:  I have a love for absurdist humor, irony and the ridiculous.  Ya gotta read that post with a bit of sardonic amusement if you want to get my tone...unless you are a committed hyperemotional LWLer or an adolescent gamer committed to the "U Mad?" "No U!" WoW culture.  If you're the latter, you're gonna say what you're gonna say anyway.  Internet kneejerk boilerplate 101.  Same to ya. Neener neener.



p.s.
It's just a forum, people.



GradyE, wearing a Snapper mask, said:

"Oh sure. It's all fun and games until this happens. "



ETA:

nina said:

"i wish the accusations of not being a member of the community and constant attempts to make people feel like outsiders/unwanted would stop. gV itself was created as a rebuttal to that kind of bullshit. that belongs on slu and sc2, not here."

Cheers, nina. I do like what you have done with the place.




ETA2:

nina said:

"of course people can say what they like, and since that includes myself, my previous post still stands true. imo the petty bullshit belongs on slu and sc2, both places where i was reminded every day that i wasnt wanted, i was an outsider, etc. i want it on record that i find those kinds of opinions to be total bullshit to the point i will watch people flounce before i will even consider sanctioning people merely for being unpopular with the charter members or any other members."

I gave nina's comments "likes" and posted them in the "I like how..." thread.   (Yes, I was cutting and pasting again.)  


ETA3:

Orfeu said:

"I just wanted to say that I think Nina does a pretty good job of administering this forum.
She invited discussion on the rules.
Discussion was supplied.


I think it speaks well of her character...that she invited discussion from the membership...rather than just summarily handed down diktats from on high.
I dont think participating in a discussion of forum rules is tantamount to tearing the place apart.
Particularly when you are invited to do so by the owner.


I doubt that anyone making a contribution to this ongoing discussion...is gonna get EVERTHING they want from it.
But we are adults...and that is how it goes in adult life.
You cant always get what you want."

Orfeu said:

"I don't wanna come across as all butthurt...because I am included in the Forum Whores....but the only thing we have in common, is a tendency to promiscuously join and participate in several forums, rather than call any single one "Home".


Other than that...we may not agree on...um....anything.


Nearly every forum I ever joined has an initial trial by fire period...where you have to fight a little for your right to breathe the forum air.
gv is no different...after the initial welcome thread....a newbie here might find themselves embroiled in drama...and pronto.


For the record...if I was gonna call any forum "Home"...it would prolly be gv.
Which is much a testament to Nina, and what she is trying to do here...as to the many estimable posters who reside here.


People who think a forum will fall apart if they leave, are a little too up themselves if you ask me."